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  • Navy Aviation Electronics Technician (AT)

    A Aviation electronics technicians (ATs) repair some of the most advanced electronics systems in the world. Repair jobs can range from flight deck trouble-shooting of the electronic weapons system on an F-14 Tomcat aircraft to changing computer circuit cards in an air-conditioned shop. These technicians may also volunteer to fly as Naval aircrew. Aircrew perform numerous in-flight duties and operate radar and weapon systems in turbojet, helicopter, or propeller aircraft.

    Aviation electronics technicians troubleshoot and repair a number of complex electronics systems. Employing all the latest test equipment and procedures, ATs put that training to use repairing systems such as:

    communications
    navigation
    infrared detection
    radar
    laser
    electronics
    fiber optics
    digital computers
    installing field changes, alterations and modifications to avionics systems.
    You cannot get the AT rating as a "guaranteed job" in your enlistment contract. Volunteers for this rating enlist in the Navy as an Aviation Sailor (AV), and are selected for either this rating, or the Aviation Electrician (AE) rating upon graduation from the Common Basics Electronics Course at A-School (job school).

    Working Environment

    Sailors in this career field will perform duties at sea and ashore around the world. At various times they could be working at a land-based aircraft squadron or onboard an aircraft carrier, either indoors or outdoors, in a shop environment or in office surroundings, and at a clean lab bench or in a garage-type situation. They work closely with others, require little supervision, and do mental and physical work of a technical nature.

    A-School (Job School) Information

    Common Basics Electronics Course, Pensacola -51 calendar days
    AE A-School, Pensacola, FL -- 103 calendar days (some)
    AE A-School, Pensacola, FL -- 46 calendar days (some)
    ASVAB Score Requirement: AR+MK+EI+GS = 222 OR VE+AR+MK+MC = 222

    Security Clearance Requirement: Secret

    Other Requirements

    Vision must be correctable to 20/20
    Must have normal color perception
    Must have normal hearing
    Must be a U.S. Citizen
    No history of drug abuse
    Sub-Specialties Available for This Rating: Navy Enlisted Classification Codes for AT

    Current Manning Levels for This Rating: CREO Listing

    Note: Advancement ( promotion ) opportunity and career progression are directly linked to a rating's manning level (i.e., personnel in undermanned ratings have greater promotion opportunity than those in overmanned ratings).

    Sea/Shore Rotation for This Rating

    First Sea Tour: 36 months
    First Shore Tour: 36 months
    Second Sea Tour: 36 months
    Second Shore Tour: 36 months
    Third Sea Tour: 36 months
    Third Shore Tour: 36 months
    Fourth Sea Tour: 36 months
    Forth Shore Tour: 36 months
    Note: Sea tours and shore tours for sailors that have completed four sea tours will be 36 months at sea followed by 36 months ashore until retirement.

    Much of the above information courtesy of the Navy Personnel Command

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    If people are confused about AT and AE, I've got some info from talking to a couple of AT's. Here's a good write-up one of them sent me:

    Excellent choice! AV is just the field for avionics ratings. You'll either be an AE (Aviation Electrician's Mate) or an AT (Aviation Electronics Technician). AEs all end up in the same school, but ATs are split up into O-level and I-level schools. O-level is organizational, which is squadron based. I-level is intermediate, which is shore and carrier-based. AEs also have O-level and I-level billets, but they don't have different schools. They determine where you're going while you're in boot camp. I think it's based off your electronics score on your ASVAB, but I'm not really sure.

    AE - wire chasing in the aircraft and checking continuity and what have you.
    O-level AT - removing bad avionics from the aircraft and taking them to AIMD so the I-level ATs can fix them.
    I-level AT - fixing avionics at the component level. This is what I do and it's pretty awesome sometimes.

    There are several different types of orders you can get out of A school.

    Squadron - you work directly on the aircraft. Your squadron will either be attached to a carrier air wing or expeditionary (land-based). You'll be stationed at a Naval Air Station and will deploy whenever the ship your air wing is attached to deploys or whenever your squadron goes on a detachment. If you're an AE or an O-level AT you'll most likely have these orders.

    Ship's Company - you'll work in the AIMD (Aircraft Intermediate Maintenance Department) of an aircraft carrier. You'll do dick while in port because the jets won't be there, but you'll also be responsible for keeping the test equipment working. These orders are for I-level ATs and AEs.

    SEAOPDET - This is what I do. You're stationed at a Naval Air Station and work at an FRC (Fleet Readiness Center) which is essentially a shore-based AIMD. You'll be attached to a ship and whenever the ship deploys, they'll fly you (and whoever else belongs to that ship from your command) out to the ship so you can enjoy the wonders of deployment and fixing all the gear the squadrons break. You can either get lucky and hardly ever deploy or you can end up spending more time out to sea than on shore (a mark I passed a couple weeks ago). Benefits: you don't really belong to the ship and you don't have to play during GQ. Downsides: you don't really belong to the ship and you don't get cool unit awards like the Battle E. These orders are primarily for I-level ATs and AEs.

    P-3OPDET - You work at an FRC and deploy with a P-3 squadron to horrible places like Japan and Germany every six months. Easily the best "sea" duty you can have.

    Shore - I've seen it happen to people out of A-school, so I'm putting it here. You'll work at an FRC and never see a ship. This can be a bad thing if you hate the place you're stationed.

    You'll be going to Pensacola for A-school no matter which one you get. You'll take Apprentice Technical Training which is a self-paced (should take a month or so) computer-based course that teaches basic electronics. I don't know how long the actual school is for AE or AT-O, but AT-I school is a few months. You'll be on hold for a little while (basically kicking around the barracks sweeping and mopping) but I think they fixed that issue by throttling back the number of people they're pushing through. I spent eight months in Pensacola. Five of those months were on hold before class and after while awaiting orders. Have fun in Pensacola. You'll be a king if you have a car there because people will always buy you gas to go to Wal-Mart and shit.


    If anyone has any more questions you can ask me and I can relay it to them.

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    • #3
      Im an AT O-level.. any questions about the rating feel free to ask

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      • #4
        When did you find out that you were going to be AT-O? Is it something they decide during boot camp or A-school or what?

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        • #5
          You find out around week 6 in boot camp... the navy decides for you. Im glad Im O-level... wouldn't want it any other way

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          • #6
            Seems like there's not a lot of information on A school so I'll fill in the gaps.. Now Im O-level however some of my best friends are AE's and AT-I's... You'll go to school with these people so you'll be involved with what they're learning.. I was in A-school in April of this year... I doubt much has changed since I've left

            This goes for all air rates in Pensacola

            So... Obviously you'll be going to Pensacola for A-school and that can be a good or bad thing depending on what you make of it. It is very easy to get in trouble, it's very hot and humid especially during the summer months. It's not boot camp so at first it's awesome... the longer your there the more you can't wait to leave. Lots of rules, lots of inspections, and lots of ways to get in trouble... You can drink if your of age, you have liberty with fairly strict guidelines to follow, you can have your phone and internet all the comforts of home if you want. A lot of young sailors and marines get in trouble in Pensacola, it's easy to break the rules and easy to get caught. Best advice is to lay low, drink responsibly if your of age, have good liberty buddies, show up to muster, keep a clean room and make sure your uniform is squared away. Just follow the rules and drink responsibly... and don't go blow all your money as soon as you get there. Other than that enjoy what you can, go to the beach, get a tattoo, drink responsibly etc... just remember your a student and school comes first. It'll all go a lot easier if you stay focused and do well in whatever school your in.

            Now for rate specific schools it goes like this...

            Whether you are AE, AT-O, or AT-I your first class will be ATT. ATT is a basic intro to electronics, specifically AC and DC power, how current flows, how to basically read wiring diagrams, intro to resistors, capacitors etc... The class is about 30-35 days for AT-O and AE's.. it's around 45 days for AT-I's. It's really not very difficult and it's pass or fail... your grade doesn't matter.. most everyone passes no problem

            Once you've completed ATT you will eventually start strand... strand is what separates you from other rates... AE strand is around 35 days, O strand is a little less than 30 days, and I-strand is... long... Im pretty sure its around 90 days... and just so you all know, when I say "days" I mean actual days in class. Your strand is the most important class to do well in... Strand focuses on the specifics of your rate. O strand introduces related avionic systems.. these include radar, ACLS, IFF, Tacan etc... just a basic intro to what the systems do and how they work. I-strand is a long and difficult school, it really breaks down wiring diagrams and systems to a component level and further. If you like working on circuit cards than I-strand is for you... AE's focus on wiring, wiring diagrams, and troubleshooting wiring issues. AE's focus on wiring while AT-O's focus on specific WRA's and systems

            Just remember that your strand is the most important class to do well in... when it comes time to graduate your really going to want to pick your orders... plus that LOA is great for evals

            AT-O
            *PT in O-strand is very hard, Monday, Wednesday and Thursday 4 AM to 5:30 AM, expect 5 mile runs, runs to the beach and a good ass kicking every time... O-strand PT was the hardest PT i've done in the navy... it makes a PRT look like kiddy shit. Seriously... it sucks but it's good for you
            *Top of the class gets the best orders, be in the top 3 and you'll get to do what you want
            *O's work on the plane, climb in the cockpit and troubleshoot gripes, most of us have security clearances, O's are pretty well rounded maint. tech's

            AE
            *Troubleshoot wiring gripes, wires, wires, wires... everything from systems in the cockpit to lights
            *PT was easier than O-strand but still PT

            AT-I
            * Hardly any PT, always cancelled or easy if they ever did it...
            * Long and difficult school
            * Work on a bench troubleshooting circuit cards, usually getting orders to a ship as ships company or shore on P3's

            *** Another thing I'd like to point out... There is a lot of time in Pensacola where your waiting to class up... while you wait your on barracks support which is absolutely horrible. So considering the waits for classing up the time your in A-school is a lot longer than you think or want it to be.

            As an O-level I was in Pensacola for almost 6 months, AE's are about the same, ATI's are there for 9-10 months...

            Then there's C-school...

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            • #7
              Nice post!

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              • #8
                C school?

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                • #9
                  not all air rates are In FL...AZ aren't in FL....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MissTJ View Post
                    C school?
                    If your rate needs more specialized training, you go to C-school.

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                    • #11
                      Hey guys as my name says I'm a future AV, I ship out June 6th but hoping to leave earlier. I had a couple questions I was hoping someone could shed some light on. How do you get determined to be an AT-O/I or and AE it was touched on a little but id there any rhyme or reason as to how you are selected? I got a 90 on my ASVAB if that has anything to do with how it is determined which am I likely to get? Also my other question is which rate has more training that translates to college credits ATI OR ATO? Thanks guys the thread so far has been a great wealth of good information.

                      Edit to add: My recruiter said that which rate you get is determined after the common core electronics course, but the information here is different so I'm really confused to how it all works. Again thanks in advance!
                      Last edited by FutureAV; February 22nd, 2012, 02:10.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by FutureAV View Post
                        Hey guys as my name says I'm a future AV, I ship out June 6th but hoping to leave earlier. I had a couple questions I was hoping someone could shed some light on. How do you get determined to be an AT-O/I or and AE it was touched on a little but id there any rhyme or reason as to how you are selected? I got a 90 on my ASVAB if that has anything to do with how it is determined which am I likely to get? Also my other question is which rate has more training that translates to college credits ATI OR ATO? Thanks guys the thread so far has been a great wealth of good information.

                        Edit to add: My recruiter said that which rate you get is determined after the common core electronics course, but the information here is different so I'm really confused to how it all works. Again thanks in advance!
                        From my past conversations with AT's, they said it's completely random, based on what the Navy needs at the time. A couple of them said that they think sailors with a higher base electronic score get AT-I, then when those slots get filled, AT-O, then finally AE. It's all competitive. However, they said they weren't 100% sure at all, so take that with a grain of salt.

                        As far as the college credits part, I'll go ask them and see what they say. Give me a while and I'll have a straight answer.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by zellthemedic View Post
                          From my past conversations with AT's, they said it's completely random, based on what the Navy needs at the time. A couple of them said that they think sailors with a higher base electronic score get AT-I, then when those slots get filled, AT-O, then finally AE. It's all competitive. However, they said they weren't 100% sure at all, so take that with a grain of salt.

                          As far as the college credits part, I'll go ask them and see what they say. Give me a while and I'll have a straight answer.
                          Thanks I appreciate it!

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                          • #14
                            I asked him. He said the following:

                            As an AT-O I got some 50-odd credits on my SMART transcript, though when applying for colleges, each one only accepts a certain amount. The max allowable is 23, I believe. And they count-as General Studies stuff. That way you can't just get your Associates or Bach from these credits, and when you do go for your degree you can stick to just the core credits you need and not bother with electives.

                            If you feel up to it, shoot an e-mail to Mr. Brian Burdick [brian.burdick@navy.mil] He's the college guy on my base, very open, helpful and friendly. Let him know you were referred by an AT3 Robinson w/ VAW-117 and he should answer any questions you have. He helped me set up a degree plan and find a college that accepts the max credits from my training.

                            Also; You get credits from Boot Camp, A-School, C-School, and specialist training from your command. And, when you take you E-4 exams you get credits for knowledge. I got 22 credits from my E-4 exams alone.

                            Another cool thing in the Navy is DANTES and CLEP exams. DANTES is a system where you check into a computer center, log on, get a full course and a test and get 1 credit if you pass. Takes an hour or so. CLEP is a bit tougher but awesome, you get a Final Exam from a course and if you pass it you get the full credits for a semester of that course without having to pay dues or attend class. Just show up, ask for a CLEP exam, and win. Though if you fail, nothing bad happens except if you try to take that SAME exam later you pay ~$100 to retake.


                            EDIT: Just saw you're from Hendersonville! Glad to see another Tennessean here!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by zellthemedic View Post
                              I asked him. He said the following:

                              As an AT-O I got some 50-odd credits on my SMART transcript, though when applying for colleges, each one only accepts a certain amount. The max allowable is 23, I believe. And they count-as General Studies stuff. That way you can't just get your Associates or Bach from these credits, and when you do go for your degree you can stick to just the core credits you need and not bother with electives.

                              If you feel up to it, shoot an e-mail to Mr. Brian Burdick [brian.burdick@navy.mil] He's the college guy on my base, very open, helpful and friendly. Let him know you were referred by an AT3 Robinson w/ VAW-117 and he should answer any questions you have. He helped me set up a degree plan and find a college that accepts the max credits from my training.

                              Also; You get credits from Boot Camp, A-School, C-School, and specialist training from your command. And, when you take you E-4 exams you get credits for knowledge. I got 22 credits from my E-4 exams alone.

                              Another cool thing in the Navy is DANTES and CLEP exams. DANTES is a system where you check into a computer center, log on, get a full course and a test and get 1 credit if you pass. Takes an hour or so. CLEP is a bit tougher but awesome, you get a Final Exam from a course and if you pass it you get the full credits for a semester of that course without having to pay dues or attend class. Just show up, ask for a CLEP exam, and win. Though if you fail, nothing bad happens except if you try to take that SAME exam later you pay ~$100 to retake.


                              EDIT: Just saw you're from Hendersonville! Glad to see another Tennessean here!
                              Haha nice about TN. Are you already in the Navy zell or waiting to ship like myself? Also would it be cool if I emailed that guy or no? I was wondering about the college credits because I have a little over a hundred college credits already. I was totally unaware they would only take a certain few. I wonder how it works if you already have a bunch of credits to transfer from another college and all that. Anyways thanks for all the good info and your follow up I very much appreciate it.

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